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Journal Entry: Sat Aug 8, 2009, 2:20 PM
Bad Attitudes with Critique  


So, something I have been noticing lately has to do with critique. Not critique as in the new deviantart feature, but just meaning constructive comments. Something I see a lot is deviants who totally refuse critique on every single one of their deviations, exclaiming “NO CRITIQUES” in caps, and jump down the throats of anyone brazen enough to mention anything besides how amazing the piece of art is. A good majority of these artists also draw in the same style, with no or little improvement, and even post journals complaining about how they are unhappy with their art, and want to improve faster.

I personally believe that being able to cordially accept and benefit from critique is directly related to improving as an artist. There is absolutely no such thing as perfect style, or perfect technique, or perfect anything in the art world. Sure, some people are completely satisfied with how they draw, or maybe they think that they can improve on their own, but is this actually possible? I do think that it is very possible to improve by your own means, but that involves being able to objectively view your own art, and doing a lot of research in anatomy and composition. Even though I do think this is possible, I also think that the attitude that one doesn’t need any critique goes hand in hand with an attitude of grandeur, and while that may sound harsh, this is something I have seen in many, many artists.

I do not understand the annoyance with hearing other’s view on what is wrong with your art. People are welcome to say what they like; they should be able to voice what they don’t like without fear of flaming or drama. It is not possible for the artist to know everything that is wrong with their piece, so the argument that an artist knows their mistakes is weak. I like to write detailed descriptions for my deviations, and if I see a mistake or problem, I will list it in the description. Chances are, if someone is going to take the time to post a detailed comment, they are going to take the time to read the description, and if they see you know that, say, the head is too big on your horse, they aren’t going to repeat that in their comment.

The same line of thinking goes with pieces you drew for a friend, or for sentimental value, or that you do not plan to make changes to. Just because you do not plan to change a drawing does not mean critique on that drawing cannot help you. Again, you can write in the description “I gave this away so I can’t change anything, but advice for what I can do next time is welcome”. That way, people can write comments that adhere to what you want.  If you do not write a description, it is unfair to get angry that someone has told you something you already know about the piece.  I have gotten critique on drawings I didn’t plan to change that explained many trends in my style and colouring in general, that were very helpful.

One main thing that is good to keep in mind is that even if you get totally useless comments, telling you things you already know, telling you something that is wrong, or even sounding rude, if you react by staring drama or jumping down people’s throats you will only discourage others from commenting. Simply saying thank you will not hurt you in any way, and it allows commenters to feel comfortable giving advice in the future. By disallowing critique and being rude to people, all you are doing is preventing people who might actually have extremely helpful comments from stating it.  A few useless critiques are worth it for the helpful advice you will get from simply being nice and open.

Finally, another thing to keep in mind, for all aspects of life, is that you cannot change other people. You do not control other people’s thoughts or actions, you can only control yourself. Take a step back, and ask yourself if the way you react to things is working. Other people may be rude, irritating, ignorant, whatever. You cannot fix that, but you don’t have to react to it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being nice, even if the person critiquing you is completely ignorant. In the end people will respect you more for being kind. Art can always be improved upon, but improvement does not just happen.

I have not addressed how people can give critique- this post is just for artists getting it. Sure, there is just a thing as a bad critique, and of course, people who are just out to troll, but neither will hurt you unless you react to it badly. (And, in the case of trolls, reacting simply encourages them.)

You can comment to discuss things if you want, doesn’t matter to me. Please don’t misunderstand this as me saying that I’m a great artist, that I improve quickly, or that I always react to comments in the best way, because none of those things are necessarily true.  These are just my opinions, things that I have noticed, and that’s all.



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:iconamandadrage:
:thumbsup: great journal!
I can sort of see both sides of the coin, but it is a little bit stubborn if you absolutely refuse any kind of constructive crit, ever. Everyone can be helped no matter how good they are. There is always room for improvement, even if it takes a while to see.

I'm aware how insignificant minor anatomy errors and whatnot can seem to be, and how people can be touchy over crit. So I never give any crit unless it is specifically asked for, or I know the artist, I respect their opinion and likewise, and I know they're not going to blow up at me lol. If I do leave it I'm always careful to balance out negative with positive. You can't just steam in, point out all the wrongs and leave - that's harsh!

As for recieving crit, I don't always specifically ask but I never discourage it either - if I get it, great. As long as it's constructive and not a dig, I'll welcome it. (Although if I do get those kind of comments that are just like "The legs are off" I'll just smile sweetly and say thanks... like you say it's not worth getting worked up, and being short or unpolite in return is not going to help anyone, as tempting as it might be)
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*scenceable Aug 11, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! I agree, there's definately bad crit, either stuff that's too harsh or rude comments, but it's not worth starting issues about :D thanks for sharing your opinion :D
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:iconethereal-beings:
It doesn’t bother me if people don't want their pieces critiqued, nor do I feel the need to give a critique if one is not wanted. :yawn:

I don’t understand why some people feel obligated to give a critique when the artist specifically stated that they did not want one. If you REALLY feel like you must give a critique :tantrum:, it might be better to just compliment elements of the work that you liked or thought were good, and then state why, instead of imposing your thoughts of what is “wrong” or what you think should be fixed.

Like others have said its better to suggest ways to improve, rather than patronizing someone, by telling them that something is “wrong” with their work, its degrading, and is obviously going to make someone less receptive to receiving a critique. Also for new inexperienced artists, it might be better to suggest fewer or smaller changes, rather than many big changes that might overwhelm them.

Some people aren’t always ready for critiques even though they have asked for them. Sometimes they will come up with excuses, like one I have heard often from several people, is "its a fantasy creature its not supposed to look real", even though its not supposed to be a real creature that dose exist, don't mean it shouldn't have muscle/skeletal structure , or some other aspect, that would make it look more like it could be a real. If your going to ask for a critique, have and open mind. :meditation:

I don’t think that if an artist chooses to improve on their own, it is necessarily “attitude of grandeur”. Maybe some just aren’t ready for critiques. If someone is happy with their work the way it is, what it is so wrong with that? what’s wrong with loving something that you know has flaws? Its impossible to make everyone happy, if you can at least make something that makes you happy, that’s awesome! :dance: If someone is really ready for a critique they will probably ask for one, if they don't big deal. ;p

Personally, I choose for the most part, to learn on my own, because I enjoy learning and making progress at my own pace. I have asked for critiques before, but I prefer getting them on WIPs rather than completed pieces, because its often difficult or time consuming to change something that has been painted and finished, besides some things that would improve a past piece wouldn‘t necessarily work on a new piece, so I find them rather redundant. Though if it was something that keeps popping up in once piece after another, then it would definitely be something to point out in a finished piece.
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*scenceable Aug 10, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree with you that there's a lot of people who don't know how to give crit, who, like you said, are rude or patronizing, or who give them when they aren't asked. I agree that lisitng a ton of things wrong with the image will not help improvement, but I don't think responding to those types of comments in a negative way is right, either. As an artist you have to deal with people who don't understand your style or medium, or will say negative or ignorant things, and becoming upset about it won't help. That's what I was trying to point out here, not that all artists should accept critique, and if they don't they're snobs. That was more so refering to people who disallow critique them complain about how they haven't improved. Maybe I should have made that clearer, people who do art purely for fun and who don't care to improve, doesn't much matter. I was just sick of reading journals with long complaints about how they feel bad about their art and want to improve faster, etc then you go through their gallery to see they disallow crits and get upset if people try to help.

Even a year ago, and definately before that, I figured I was too sensitive to receive crits and didn't ask for help with anything, tried to improve on my own, and once I decided it was better to hear what other people had to say, I think I've improved a lot faster.

Thanks for sharing your opinion, it's good to hear different opinions. :D
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:iconethereal-beings:
I see. There's really not much you can do to help people who aren't interested in getting critiques, hopefully some of them will come around and find that getting a critique can be more helpful than they thought. =D

Suggesting books or tutorials might be another approach.
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*Ala-Rai Aug 9, 2009   General Artist
My thing about critiques is that either I'm so afraid someone will attack me if I don't point something out, or I'll say something I think that sounds really dumb because having no formal art training I don't always know how to say exactly what I think is wrong. Usually I tend to put what I like most. That way they at least know what they did right in a piece which really probably doesn't help much. Only if I'm 100% sure on something will I make a suggestion.

I always like criticism. Sometimes it may be a really bad time for people to get a critique (my dog ran away, my car was stolen, I failed a test, and now you're telling me that my horse's ear should be 1/18th of an inch longer!!!!) But still advice is always welcome because you remember it next time. Honestly I wish that there was like a club or something for beginning artists so that they could get more crit on their work. I think a lot of people would appreciate it.
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:iconamandadrage:
"my dog ran away, my car was stolen, I failed a test, and now you're telling me that my horse's ear should be 1/18th of an inch longer!!!!"

:lol:
I'm often wary of leaving specific crits when it comes to anatomy or whatever because it can seem insignificant sometimes...
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*Ala-Rai Aug 11, 2009   General Artist
True. Nitpicking can come off as just being a little annoying. I was just trying to make a point of how for some people, a crit could be the last straw in a long line of events. On the other hand, they should still have the good sense not to go off on someone for reasons that aren't really related to the person who gave the critique. It's really hard sometimes to judge how a person will take a critique.
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:iconamandadrage:
lol yeah, I only leave specific crits like that if a) they're asked for beforehand, or b) I know the artist and we respect each other, so I know they won't get mad at me! :XD:
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*Ala-Rai Aug 15, 2009   General Artist
That definitely seems like a good rule to follow. Critiquing is kind of a risky business with some people, so that seems to at least eliminate some chance of backlash.
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